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		<title>By: TheBoss</title>
		<link>http://www.eastbayconservative.com/2009/08/20/race-race-race-24-x-7/comment-page-1/#comment-3091</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chariot - 

Quite right. Allen-Taylor is a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chariot &#8211; </p>
<p>Quite right. Allen-Taylor is a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Chariot</title>
		<link>http://www.eastbayconservative.com/2009/08/20/race-race-race-24-x-7/comment-page-1/#comment-3090</link>
		<dc:creator>Chariot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to specifially address Douglas Allen-Taylor since that&#039;s where the post bounced off of. I have often wondered where is the outcry from this so-obviously racist &quot;journalist.  I have been stunned by his constant ripping of everyone EXCEPT African-American electeds and public figures.  He&#039;s still standing up for Dellums, claiming he&#039;s done many great things for Oakland!  His latest is to rip on Don Perata - a white guy! - because he&#039;s supposedly done nothing for Oakland. Which is crap because I voted for bonds that gave housing help and transportation projects to the Bay Are in general and including Oakland, Perata wrote those measurs. He&#039;s also showed up at charity &amp; community events I&#039;m involved in that Dellums was invited to and his office never even had the decency to respond,let alone show up. Allen-Taylor is a bitter black man afforded every opportunity to help Oakland by virtue of his public forum. Yet all he does is perpetuate the victim mentality by refusing to hold accountable the black non-leaders that are abusing their positions by letting the community down and accusing all non-blacks of being liars, crooks and users.  I&#039;ve never met Allen-Taylor so for all I know, he IS Ron Dellums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to specifially address Douglas Allen-Taylor since that&#8217;s where the post bounced off of. I have often wondered where is the outcry from this so-obviously racist &#8220;journalist.  I have been stunned by his constant ripping of everyone EXCEPT African-American electeds and public figures.  He&#8217;s still standing up for Dellums, claiming he&#8217;s done many great things for Oakland!  His latest is to rip on Don Perata &#8211; a white guy! &#8211; because he&#8217;s supposedly done nothing for Oakland. Which is crap because I voted for bonds that gave housing help and transportation projects to the Bay Are in general and including Oakland, Perata wrote those measurs. He&#8217;s also showed up at charity &amp; community events I&#8217;m involved in that Dellums was invited to and his office never even had the decency to respond,let alone show up. Allen-Taylor is a bitter black man afforded every opportunity to help Oakland by virtue of his public forum. Yet all he does is perpetuate the victim mentality by refusing to hold accountable the black non-leaders that are abusing their positions by letting the community down and accusing all non-blacks of being liars, crooks and users.  I&#8217;ve never met Allen-Taylor so for all I know, he IS Ron Dellums.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBoss</title>
		<link>http://www.eastbayconservative.com/2009/08/20/race-race-race-24-x-7/comment-page-1/#comment-3087</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so your claim is that &quot;White&quot; is a fictitious category created by Southern aristocrats. I&#039;d like to see some proof of that.

What I think is clear is that &quot;Black&quot; is a category created by these same people. 

For starters, &quot;Black&quot; in America is often defined as anyone with a single African ancestor, which is plainly absurd since we all have African ancestors.

Moreover, just as &quot;White&quot; subsumes a whole set of European and Middle Eastern ethnicities, &quot;Black&quot; is composed of all sorts of different peoples from Africa and Australia.

I hope now you can see the absurdity of your argument. You accuse me of being a racist, when in fact I&#039;m putting &quot;White&quot; and &quot;Black&quot; on the same footing.

You, sir, are the racist. You are racist against those you label &quot;White.&quot; Every single argument you make against me is directly applicable to you. All you need to do is replace the word &quot;Black&quot; with &quot;White.&quot;

Two more points:

1. Being proud of one&#039;s &quot;culture&quot; is a vague notion. If by this you mean pride about some capability or accomplishment one has, which one terms &quot;culture,&quot; then I couldn&#039;t agree more. If by &quot;culture&quot; you mean skin color, than I disagree. One&#039;s heritage does not determine one&#039;s &quot;culture.&quot; And, being proud of one&#039;s skin color is ignorant.

2. You criticize me for discussing race when I say it&#039;s not a major issue in my life. That&#039;s fine, but you should consider that I am making a particular effort to educate you and others on my thinking about this. I do not think about race much, but obviously I must do so to some extent to even have a conversation about it. To this extent, you&#039;ve got me -- I do think about it sometimes. But, my larger point prevails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so your claim is that &#8220;White&#8221; is a fictitious category created by Southern aristocrats. I&#8217;d like to see some proof of that.</p>
<p>What I think is clear is that &#8220;Black&#8221; is a category created by these same people. </p>
<p>For starters, &#8220;Black&#8221; in America is often defined as anyone with a single African ancestor, which is plainly absurd since we all have African ancestors.</p>
<p>Moreover, just as &#8220;White&#8221; subsumes a whole set of European and Middle Eastern ethnicities, &#8220;Black&#8221; is composed of all sorts of different peoples from Africa and Australia.</p>
<p>I hope now you can see the absurdity of your argument. You accuse me of being a racist, when in fact I&#8217;m putting &#8220;White&#8221; and &#8220;Black&#8221; on the same footing.</p>
<p>You, sir, are the racist. You are racist against those you label &#8220;White.&#8221; Every single argument you make against me is directly applicable to you. All you need to do is replace the word &#8220;Black&#8221; with &#8220;White.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two more points:</p>
<p>1. Being proud of one&#8217;s &#8220;culture&#8221; is a vague notion. If by this you mean pride about some capability or accomplishment one has, which one terms &#8220;culture,&#8221; then I couldn&#8217;t agree more. If by &#8220;culture&#8221; you mean skin color, than I disagree. One&#8217;s heritage does not determine one&#8217;s &#8220;culture.&#8221; And, being proud of one&#8217;s skin color is ignorant.</p>
<p>2. You criticize me for discussing race when I say it&#8217;s not a major issue in my life. That&#8217;s fine, but you should consider that I am making a particular effort to educate you and others on my thinking about this. I do not think about race much, but obviously I must do so to some extent to even have a conversation about it. To this extent, you&#8217;ve got me &#8212; I do think about it sometimes. But, my larger point prevails.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
		<link>http://www.eastbayconservative.com/2009/08/20/race-race-race-24-x-7/comment-page-1/#comment-3086</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boss,

Mel makes an excellent point.  For someone who doesn&#039;t think about race, you sure seem to think about race a lot.  Or think about how others think about race a lot.  An important distinction to you, I&#039;m sure.

I&#039;m not here to pick a fight, but I do disagree with you.  I agree with you that it is stupid to be proud of one&#039;s whiteness.  But the same is not true for one&#039;s Italianness, or Jewishness, or Irishness, etc.  Nor for one&#039;s Blackness or Asianness.  

My point about whiteness was that it&#039;s not admirable to be proud of it because it is a fictitious category, thrown together by Southern aristocrats in order to prevent slave rebellions.  

There is no white cuisine, no large tragedies in which white people were killed for being white (save, perhaps, 9/11, unless you count all the non-white people in those buildings), no white &quot;accent&quot; (it is coextensive with &quot;normal&quot; or proper English).  These are all clues that point us in one direction: there is no such thing as &quot;white culture.&quot;  So it really doesn&#039;t mean anything to be proud of your whiteness, although it means a lot to be proud of your culture(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boss,</p>
<p>Mel makes an excellent point.  For someone who doesn&#8217;t think about race, you sure seem to think about race a lot.  Or think about how others think about race a lot.  An important distinction to you, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not here to pick a fight, but I do disagree with you.  I agree with you that it is stupid to be proud of one&#8217;s whiteness.  But the same is not true for one&#8217;s Italianness, or Jewishness, or Irishness, etc.  Nor for one&#8217;s Blackness or Asianness.  </p>
<p>My point about whiteness was that it&#8217;s not admirable to be proud of it because it is a fictitious category, thrown together by Southern aristocrats in order to prevent slave rebellions.  </p>
<p>There is no white cuisine, no large tragedies in which white people were killed for being white (save, perhaps, 9/11, unless you count all the non-white people in those buildings), no white &#8220;accent&#8221; (it is coextensive with &#8220;normal&#8221; or proper English).  These are all clues that point us in one direction: there is no such thing as &#8220;white culture.&#8221;  So it really doesn&#8217;t mean anything to be proud of your whiteness, although it means a lot to be proud of your culture(s).</p>
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		<title>By: mark ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Race does exist... but not among humans.  It is a biological difference one rung below sub-species.  In humans, there is not enough biological difference for races to exist.  There are physical distinctions between different groups of people, that are really of little genetic significance.  The differences that we use to make race an issue are CULTURAL.  They are manifest in behavior... which can be changed... unlike ancestry.  People go to jail because of bad behavior.  The nicer parts of Oakland are inhabited by people of all different appearances... but they are all middle class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Race does exist&#8230; but not among humans.  It is a biological difference one rung below sub-species.  In humans, there is not enough biological difference for races to exist.  There are physical distinctions between different groups of people, that are really of little genetic significance.  The differences that we use to make race an issue are CULTURAL.  They are manifest in behavior&#8230; which can be changed&#8230; unlike ancestry.  People go to jail because of bad behavior.  The nicer parts of Oakland are inhabited by people of all different appearances&#8230; but they are all middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: thighmaster</title>
		<link>http://www.eastbayconservative.com/2009/08/20/race-race-race-24-x-7/comment-page-1/#comment-3075</link>
		<dc:creator>thighmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife &amp; I are the only whites on our block. I can count nine different nationalities on our block just off the top of my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife &amp; I are the only whites on our block. I can count nine different nationalities on our block just off the top of my head.</p>
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		<title>By: MEL</title>
		<link>http://www.eastbayconservative.com/2009/08/20/race-race-race-24-x-7/comment-page-1/#comment-3073</link>
		<dc:creator>MEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...but in my experience white men spend essentially zero time thinking about race and race relations.&quot;

Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh aren&#039;t white? I&#039;ll also assume you are not white, otherwise your opening statement renders your post (and blog) as one long drip of irony. That is, unless you aren&#039;t really &quot;thinking&quot; when you talk about race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but in my experience white men spend essentially zero time thinking about race and race relations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh aren&#8217;t white? I&#8217;ll also assume you are not white, otherwise your opening statement renders your post (and blog) as one long drip of irony. That is, unless you aren&#8217;t really &#8220;thinking&#8221; when you talk about race.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Fact</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Fact</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Like many cities, Oakland is virtually color-coded. It’s a largely segregated city, with Black regions in the West and East of the city,  Hispanic areas on down International Blvd, etc.&quot;
 
This is only half true. Many streets in the flatlands are home to a mix of Black, white, Latino, and Asian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like many cities, Oakland is virtually color-coded. It’s a largely segregated city, with Black regions in the West and East of the city,  Hispanic areas on down International Blvd, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is only half true. Many streets in the flatlands are home to a mix of Black, white, Latino, and Asian.</p>
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		<title>By: thighmaster</title>
		<link>http://www.eastbayconservative.com/2009/08/20/race-race-race-24-x-7/comment-page-1/#comment-3065</link>
		<dc:creator>thighmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I question people who say that race does not exist, ot race is an artificial construct&#039;s ability to think properly.</description>
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		<title>By: TheBoss</title>
		<link>http://www.eastbayconservative.com/2009/08/20/race-race-race-24-x-7/comment-page-1/#comment-3055</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SJ -

I basically expected that kind of a response, as it was pretty obvious you were just trying to pick a fight.

To answer your question, first I&#039;d say that people can be proud of anything they want. Largely it does not affect me.

But, from my perspective it&#039;s a little childish for people to be &quot;proud&quot; of their race. It&#039;s not like they did anything to attain it. I&#039;m not &quot;proud&quot; of being white, so I guess I would find it kind of weird to find out that a bunch of people are &quot;proud&quot; to be Black.

I think it makes much more sense to be proud of one&#039;s accomplishments -- learning to play the piano, for example, or maybe being a good parent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ -</p>
<p>I basically expected that kind of a response, as it was pretty obvious you were just trying to pick a fight.</p>
<p>To answer your question, first I&#8217;d say that people can be proud of anything they want. Largely it does not affect me.</p>
<p>But, from my perspective it&#8217;s a little childish for people to be &#8220;proud&#8221; of their race. It&#8217;s not like they did anything to attain it. I&#8217;m not &#8220;proud&#8221; of being white, so I guess I would find it kind of weird to find out that a bunch of people are &#8220;proud&#8221; to be Black.</p>
<p>I think it makes much more sense to be proud of one&#8217;s accomplishments &#8212; learning to play the piano, for example, or maybe being a good parent.</p>
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